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Everyone knows that AI can now generate art thanks to tools like Craiyon (formerly DALL-E) and shit. Creating art has never been easier because now you don’t even have to draw or make anything yourself. All you have to do is enter a few words and the AI will do all of that work for you. In a few years once the AI has been trained more, will it completely replace human artists? Is AI-generated art going to be that good? I hope not.
I hate what’s happened to society. Everyone wants things faster. Nobody is content with what we have. Everyone always wants more. Let’s say Derpibooru is still around in 10 years and I’m still on here (I hope not. I hope I get a life) uploading my own art that I drew myself, and Derpibooru is just as active as it is now with hundreds of images still being uploaded each day. Will most artists be gone and replaced with AI-generate art? Will users think I’m insane for drawing shit art myself when I could just type in a few words and generate art? I could imagine them talking about how AI-generated art is so convenient and not being able to imagine actually drawing the art themselves. This is almost like how Amazon and Ebay became popular and everyone stopped going to stores just because it was online, or everyone using streaming services like Netflix and Spotify instead of buying and owning physical media just because it was online. What happens when AI starts doing everything? What if AI-generated music became a thing? Because if AI-generated music became a thing, and people stopped creating music themselves, then I would give up on music entirely. Maybe AI will take over every job and replace humans for everything imaginable.
Okay so I am getting off-topic, but I hope AI-generated art doesn’t completely take over and replace human art, but I fear that will happen since everyone seems to like this. Maybe I just hate change and wish things were back to the way they were many years ago.
Artists put their heart into the images they create and have complete control over what the end result looks like. AI is heartless. You’re letting a soulless machine decide what art looks like for you. I get that drawing is hard, and I of all people would know that given how hard it was for me to upload art on here over the past two years. You all think I should just give up with art and if I want to see more Coloratura art or anything else, to type a few words into a fucking AI prompt?
I have spent two years improving my skills, learning how to upload art that doesn’t completely suck. Just recently I finally got a tablet so I can draw by hand instead of using a mouse and have been learning how to use that (which is hard since it has no screen, but still much easier than a mouse and I can draw more quickly). I’ve been continuing practicing for hours and improving my art, took some advice from an old thread hoping that maybe now I can draw better and my art won’t suck. I don’t want all of this to be for nothing. I did not get a tablet and spend hours drawing just to be replaced by a soulless machine, to be told “hey you should quit making art and use Craiyon lol can you imagine actually drawing something yourself? I can’t”.
The worst part about this is everyone will love and support this and there’s nothing we can do to prevent AI-generated art from completely replacing human art. We could add the “machine learning generated” tag to our filters and hide that so at least we don’t have to look at this shit, but that would just be running away from the problem. We never needed AI to generate art for us. Why all of a sudden would we need it now?
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Dude you’re overreacting. Man-made art will still be around as long as people still draw
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Reading this, I feel like you’re focusing too much on drawing to show it to others and not enough on drawing for yourself, because you want to.
Would you still draw if there was no internet to upload it to? Or no one other than yourself interested in the subject (ponies in general, Coloratura in particular, etc)? Or even, like you mention, if people said you’re wasting your time when there are ‘better’ alternatives for your time and effort?
My own answer to these is “yes,” and it turns out I’m free of many worries I see internet artists mention regularly. Unless it’s your job or a gift to someone else, your art is about you, an AI won’t replace that. It may make you give up about uploading your pictures because you feel that’s not worth it anymore, but it shouldn’t make you give up about drawing them in the first place.
I hope this helps.
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Reading this, I feel like you’re focusing too much on drawing to show it to others and not enough on drawing for yourself, because you want to.
Not really. I just feel like at some point a lot of us will become so lazy that we won’t care to draw for ourselves anymore since the AI can do that for us.
Would you still draw if there was no internet to upload it to? Or no one other than yourself interested in the subject (ponies in general, Coloratura in particular, etc)? Or even, like you mention, if people said you’re wasting your time when there are ‘better’ alternatives for your time and effort?
Right now, I would, and I have drawn a lot of pictures that I never uploaded. Maybe I’m just worried that at some point I’ll become lazy and just type in a few words in an art generator since it’s a lot easier to do that than to draw. Now if Derpibooru and DeviantArt never existed, then I probably would have never drawn to begin with.
My own answer to these is “yes,” and it turns out I’m free of many worries I see internet artists mention regularly. Unless it’s your job or a gift to someone else, your art is about you, an AI won’t replace that. It may make you give up about uploading your pictures because you feel that’s not worth it anymore, but it shouldn’t make you give up about drawing them in the first place.
It won’t make me give up uploading a lot of what I draw since nowadays I don’t feel like drawing much anymore unless I do upload it partially because at least that way the art will be somewhere in case my laptop breaks and all my backups get destroyed or deleted (it’s very unlikely but it can happen).
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Not going to happen, and even if I did, files stored on the cloud aren’t immune to deletion. The cloud servers could go down at any time, or my files could be deleted for violating Google’s T.O.S. It’s best I store backups locally (and if I’m really worried, I’d store multiple backups on multiple USB drives) so they never leave my laptop and I have full control over them. Once something leaves my laptop and is stored in the cloud, I have to trust them not to look at my files, share them, or delete them, and once something’s uploaded online, it can never be truly deleted. This wouldn’t matter with art I’ve already uploaded but the art I haven’t uploaded and kept to myself could be made public without my knowledge.
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Dude you little overreacting, something like this happened a few times before
AI is just an tool.
rember the DEATH OF 2D ANIMATION? bcs of 3d renders?
rember the DEATH OF TRADITIONAL ANIMATION when digital art become affordable on big companies?
New tool is a helper not a replacer. How good machine it would be, some human input must be, after all machine is just remixer of already existing art. So new art would be with or without the AI.
But as AI become more accurate, human artist would have less mindless job and more creativity
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The fluffy pony sub-fandom got a taste of this years ago when KMEB introduced an AI called Mancubus. It was generating images using KMEB’s drawings as a sample set. Mancubus’ output was odd. It combined things in an odd way, more like it was ticking off check-boxes without really understanding what it was doing.
I can see potential of AI as a tool, say for generating reference and doing mock-ups of ideas. Much like any tool, I think there’s potential for misuse; but also potential that artists will use that tool to do amazing things.
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I do not know what the future will hold for the arts. I can, at least, look to the past. From simple mud for painting cave walls - to papyrus and ink - to oil paint on canvas - to digital pixels unseen by the human eye - now learning AI.
It would be a tool for mass production if I were to make a personal bet.
I am biased when I say that I’d prefer hand made art to that of a machine. Still, I am curious to see what the AI can do. Perhaps in the future I only need to produce one drawing and the AI will remember that style. So, all I have to do is dream, anymore.
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I’ve been drawing for 12 years as a hobby and I can see my time is coming. I’ll still draw whether there’s AI or not but I don’t think people will commission me anymore solely because of my skill. AI will quickly reach a point it can do what people ask so much better than whatever I can do unassisted by AI.
People saying that AI is a tool are correct but that’s only going to be true for the next 4-8 years or so. AI’s efficiency doubles every 16 months and GPU compute/$ roughly doubles every two years. This means by 2028 AI productivity/$ will be well over x100 and by 2030 it will be over x1000, an order of magnitude improvement every 32 months. People will not only be able to generate art in real-time but also videos and games. This will completely revolutionize entertainment and displace the jobs artists are doing today. For artists to continue making a living through this transition they need to gear themselves up now to be capable of doing something that a machine cannot do.
This issue is so much bigger than art too. Before the industrial revolution having muscle was extremely important to get work done, but once machines came along muscle lost its value. Only in a few places it’s needed now. The same thing is happening but with the intellect. What people can do with their memory will no longer be valuable because a simple machine can do it better. What we can do intellectually will seem stupid and meaningless as digging a hole with our hands compared to using a shovel or excavator.
So what we remember in our minds will no longer decide who we are in society. What will become important is what kind of a human being we are and how much, and the same will apply to our art.
I don’t know what all is coming or the best solution to all these changes, but for now I’ve given up improving my skills to focus on having more fun drawing and measuring my success by how joyfully I draw each day. I have a lot of room for improvement but I hope one day people will at least find value in that.
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It’s no secret that artificial intelligence is rapidly evolving. Every day, AI machines are becoming more advanced, capable of completing tasks that were once considered too complex for machines. This raises an important question: will AI eventually replace human artists? It’s certainly possible. Is artificial intelligence a threat or an aid to the future of humanity?
After all, AI machines can already generate convincing works of art, and as they become more sophisticated, they will only become better at imitating the work of human artists. However, it’s also important to consider the fact that AI machines lack creativity. They can imitate the work of human artists, but they cannot create original works of art.
It’s unlikely that AI will ever completely replace human artists. Even in a future dominated by AI-generated art, there will always be a need for human creativity. To conclude artificial intelligence enabled technology has done a lot for the mankind and this journey will continue to bring transformational changes in every field of life
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The optimist in me wants to believe that “traditional” art (drawing from scratch) and AI-generated art can coexist. The realist in me says they probably won’t.
Just look at what has happened to music over the last century. People used to sing as a social activity. Songs would be passed down from generation to generation. Singing was for everyone. Now, nobody wants to hear singing that hasn’t been autotuned to pitch-perfection. My point isn’t that new music is bad, that’s entirely subjective. What I’m saying is that despite it being easier than ever before to record and share music with the world, it’s also never been harder to get anyone to care.
I’m afraid the same thing is going to happen with art. People will get used to AI-generated art to the point where it’s what they expect art to look like. People will be discouraged from even trying art because it takes years of practice to even come close to what AI can generate for you in a few minutes.
To be fair, I don’t think people will ever stop making art from scratch, but it will be pushed underground, into its own spaces, away from the endless deluge of AI-generated images. That’s what happened to traditional music, after all. So art will survive, even if it’s a little more obscure than before.
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reformation is the best
humans will never be replaced because AI can only do what it knows and sometimes it might not come out as good due to anatomical reasons or who knows but even though i saw some that look great there is no feeling of satisfaction or amazement when doing or receiving art from a human know how much hard work was put into it, AI can only reproduce art styles it already knows when humans can create new styles, humans can make art that has meaning to it and thought put into where stuff goes in order to make a background or a person, AI would need humans to create more art so without humans there is no more art AI can replicate
i hope this is just a fad, but if not then it is just a terrifying and dishearting thought to me that no matter how long an artist works AI would do it in minutes and it makes me feel like I’m not needed, people might think is good but they don’t know what value a human created art can have until is gone, even if it’s not gone it would just be a scary thought that human art would become rare and be seen as a luxury or as inferior when it used to be valued and everywhere
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@Alphabet Soup
To be fair, I don’t think people will ever stop making art from scratch, but it will be pushed underground, into its own spaces, away from the endless deluge of AI-generated images. That’s what happened to traditional music, after all. So art will survive, even if it’s a little more obscure than before.
I agree making art from scratch will become obscure at some point. I don’t keep up with newer music but I’m sure most of it’s done on a computer now. If I learned to play an instrument, I’d be told to give up and nobody does that anymore because it’s all on a computer now. By the time we’re all dead will society even imagine actually playing an instrument or drawing from scratch anymore?
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i don’t think it will be obscure, people would realize what good they have once is gone people want to see 2D back and there are some movies in 2D, people will miss the feeling of satisfaction when creating in ANY medium no matter traditional or digital because what matters is the effort put into it, people will look back at art created by humans and see how wonderful it must of been and want to try it themself and thus creating the want of human created art
but i hope this does not have to happen
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i don’t think it will be obscure, people would realize what good they have once is gone people want to see 2D back and there are some movies in 2D, people will miss the feeling of satisfaction when creating in ANY medium no matter traditional or digital because what matters is the effort put into it, people will look back at art created by humans and see how wonderful it must of been and want to try it themself and thus creating the want of human created art
but i hope this does not have to happen
Yeah I never liked 3D animation but it’s everywhere now. Even if they do miss creating art themselves, would they even try creating art from scratch again? Or would they have became too lazy to even try?
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@angryprogrockbrony
well that is just something modern people have to learn, besides you can do 2d animation with tables (look at the movie klaus and their youtube channel) so no trees are harmed when it comes to that and sometimes CGI can be used as assets in an environment or objects, but people need to overcome laziness and the idea of tech doing everything for them and know that if they want 2d back if they want to not let AI do all the work then they got to get up (metaphorically or literally) and do the work, i think the problem is people today can get lazy, and not just when it comes to artistic stuff
to me sometimes when technology progresses quality of life (or in this case creativity) suffers
look at this example
https://youtu.be/0Eh91CCqXjo?t=353
funny video by the way
of course that depends of the individual person but still i just want to show one example
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I think the premise forgets one key point: People create art because they want to create something.
Yeah, you could get a picture created by AI by plugging in some keywords, but you don’t get the satisfaction of creating something, do you?
As long as there are people, there will be things created by them, and if AI progresses far enough, it will be joining the pool of people wanting to create things, too. The citizenry of the future will include those descended from technology as well as those descended from biology.
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Lets be honest, if you were born sooner you would be saying the same thing about the camera, hell there are still people who say digital art isn’t real art either…
Who gets to decide what tools people are allowed to use to express themselves?
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@Ada
Who gets to decide what tools people are allowed to use to express themselves?
Problem with this particular tool is that it’s based on other people’s hard work to produce content with not so much effort, and this stigma may not disappear easily. No wonder lots of other art sites made it artem non grata.
The technology itself is fascinating, but… is society even ready
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@d1ckbitch
“it’s based on other people’s hard work”
No one learns from scratch. Everyone here does the exact same thing the AI does by learning from others. It’s just the “with not so much effort” that’s the issue. But using a camera could be simplified to pressing one button which is even easier so…
Soon enough quantum computing and machine learning will come to a point were we will have AI as intelligent as humans. Possibly even within a decade. Wonder what people here will think of it then…
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@Ada
Soon enough quantum computing and machine learning will come to a point were we will have AI as intelligent as humans. Possibly even within a decade. Wonder what people here will think of it then…
I think almost everyone will love it and will stop working entirely since AI can just do everything. In several decades, will anyone even imagine actually working and having a job anymore?
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Good. Let’s accelerate the robotic future. Perhaps even have revolution which destroys the technological infrastructure necessary to sustain our AI overlords along the way.
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