New Mane Six (G5) Issues

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Currently, the new mane six (g5) tag is defined as the canon Mane Five plus Sprout Cloverleaf. I find this problematic for several reasons: Firstly, it implies Sprout is canonically part of the main group when he isn’t and most likely never will be, promoting his Draco in Leather Pants treatment; secondly and more importantly, there are other candidates for a sixth pony to add to the main cast - for instance, Misty, who has her own tag for this - meaning there can be a “new Mane Six” that doesn’t include Sprout at all. I propose replacing the current uses with a more unambiguous “Sprout joins the Mane Five” tag, then redefining the tag to mean any “Mane Five plus one” groups and making it an implication of both Misty and Sprout joining. What do you say?
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I agree with changing the tags, but in regards to the “Mane X” tags of G5, I’d even go further than that. I posted among staff a while back some ideas to clean up the tags but didn’t really get anywhere; I suppose I’ll use this opportunity to leave this here in case any have opinions on it:
Seeing tags like alternate new mane six (g5) prop up in reference to G5’s Mane 5 + Misty really illustrates to me how cumbersome and unintuitive applying these tags to G5 has become. Of course, we’d never really planned ahead in terms of future Generation tagging, so some of the tags used for grouping have become pretty obtuse. So here’s some thoughts of mine to make them a bit less confusing and easier to manage (Mostly, I’m trying to cut down on all the prefixes and parenthesis here). In doing so, I’m still attempting to leave alone the most relevant G4 “mane X” terminology and tags alone.
  1. mane five as it currently exists is used for G4’s Mane 6 sans Twilight. IMO this would be better served in use of G5’s core cast, as it currently uses mane five (g5). G5’s group being more relevant as a group in and of itself (especially as it’s G4 use is not super abundantly tagged to begin with), I think it would go to better use here. The G4 iteration could maybe switch to mane six minus one – similar to the mane six plus one currently aliased into alternate mane seven.
  2. Preparing for the inevitable “Misty joins the Mane 5”, we could unalias new mane six from alternate mane six and use that instead of the word salad we’d be left with otherwise (There are already a fair amount of images to tag it to in the meantime).
  3. If above happens, the probably premature-in-retrospect new mane six (g5) (Mane 5 + Sprout) could be given the alternate new mane six similar to the aforementioned (This one is still pretty cumbersome but that was going to be inevitable to some extent).
  4. This one is less of a concern, but maybe mane six (g5) should get a slightly more accurate tag? (I admit this is in part to have another possible name/alias for G5’s Mane 6, but also because it’s now somewhat of a misnomer) Were this to happen at all, it’d probably wait for a proper Mane 6 to form in G5 anyway.
In a general sense, I don’t mind treating G4 as slightly less of a “default” as time and generations go on. A “Mane Five” group is more relevant to G5 than to G4.
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To comment on the request itself (since I did not know of the misty joins the mane 5 tag before I’d made that post), sprout joins the mane five would probably be a better option than my point 3 listed above, and it would indeed help solve the prefix/parentheses issue I had.
then redefining the tag to mean any “Mane Five plus one” groups and making it an implication of both Misty and Sprout joining.
The suggestion here would be having sprout joins the mane five and misty joins the mane five both imply new mane six (g5), correct?
I am not against this, though I do personally prefer having a new mane six tag with its own set characters it refers to (In this case, likely Misty).
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Ah, very good points. It does make sense to reserve “mane {N}” for canonical main-character groups and have “mane {N} plus/minus {M}” for characters being added or removed, rather than prioritising G4. For instance, the current G4 “Mane Five” isn’t canonically a thing (they’re never one cohesive group without Twilight) while the G5 Mane Five are canonically established, so I agree that the latter should get priority.
Admittedly, it gets a bit messy on “Mane Seven” since both G3 and G4 have one in canon, but G3’s is instead called the Core Seven while G4’s has multiple possible seventh members (Spike for characters who’ve always been part of the group, Starlight Glimmer for ponies in the show, and Sunset Shimmer in Equestria Girls). That’ll need to have its own breakdown.
The suggestion here would be having sprout joins the mane five and misty joins the mane five both imply new mane six (g5), correct?
I am not against this, though I do personally prefer having a new mane six tag with its own set characters it refers to (In this case, likely Misty).
Yes, that was my original thought. I think you’re right, though; it’s neater to have new mane six be a specific G5 Mane Six while mane five plus one is general, well, Mane Five plus an added character. Of course, we don’t have a canonical sixth G5 protagonist yet, so defining new mane six will have to wait for if/when we actually get one. In any case, I am in favour of sprout joins the mane five and misty joins the mane five for those particular groups rather than having either of them be defined as the “new Mane Six” unless one of them does become canon.
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I’m for replacing the new mane six tag with the one with misty if it happens in the show.
There’s even “mane seven (G5)” for images that have Sunny, Izzy, Hitch, Pipp, Zipp, Sprout, and Misty.
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DOn’t know if this has been brought up before, but should the mane five (g5) tag be merged to the old mane five tag?
the G5 tag is the more popular tag of the 2, and also i think more people will associate the term “mane 5” with the g5 cast members and not “the mane 6 but with twilight missing”.
Feel like “Mane Five” should just be the tag to refer to the G% cast, not “Mane Five (g5)”. Dragons suggestion for “mane 6 plus/minus one” tags seem like a good idea
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Since I wanted to wait until Misty had definitively joined the squad before setting tags again, and since that appears to have recently happened, I’m going through these again in an attempt to organize them properly this time.
It seems to be agreed that mane five makes more sense as a G5 tag than a G4 one, and so it shall be. What used to inhabit that tag is now under mane six minus one in part because I couldn’t think of a a better name.
I’ve not touched any of the other tags yet, but taking a look at them, these would be the two main directions to move in given other suggestions in this thread:
  1. Since Misty being the official 6th member over Sprout has been established, she should have a tag like new mane six or some such equivalent apply to the Mane 5 + her. Sprout’s tag would change to a secondary tag like sprout joins the mane five, that is the Mane 5 + him.
  2. We have both a misty joins the mane five and a sprout joins the mane five that imply an umbrella mane five plus one/new mane six tag that could apply to either pony joining (and future proof for other ponies, I guess).
Any preference of choice?
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I like option 2. It makes the added pony an explicit choice in the tag instead of requiring external knowledge.
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I’ve not touched any of the other tags yet, but taking a look at them, these would be the two main directions to move in given other suggestions in this thread:
  1. Since Misty being the official 6th member over Sprout has been established, she should have a tag like new mane six or some such equivalent apply to the Mane 5 + her. Sprout’s tag would change to a secondary tag like sprout joins the mane five, that is the Mane 5 + him.
  2. We have both a misty joins the mane five and a sprout joins the mane five that imply an umbrella mane five plus one/new mane six tag that could apply to either pony joining (and future proof for other ponies, I guess).
Any preference of choice?
Thanks for taking a stab at this. I cast my vote for option 1. As of the end of MYM Chapter 4, it’s clear beyond any doubt that Misty is the sixth member of G5’s “core ponies” so if you ask me, she rightfully belongs in the new mane six tag. I’d find it weird to have that tag also include images of the Mane Five + Sprout.
new mane six can still imply mane five plus one - the umbrella tag is useful - but new mane six should not itself be the umbrella tag IMO.
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What used to inhabit that tag is now under mane six minus one in part because I couldn’t think of a a better name.
I’ve seen them being called the ReMane Five, a pun on remain(ing). “Mane Six minus one” is more descriptive and instinctive as a tag though.
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What used to inhabit that tag is now under mane six minus one
Somehow, I never noticed there was ever a non-G5 mane 5 tag. Is it used when any one of the mane six aren’t present? Or specifically Twilight?
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Seems to be traditionally used for the absence of Twilight. I almost gave a description and implications noting it as such, but it seemed like it might be better to leave alone, especially with the new vaguer name (although I guess you could say the same for the original mane five name as well). That said…
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Remane five actually does give the implication of a “Non-Twilight” Mane 6 group better than either previous name, so that might actually be best to use as the tag.
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Ooh! The “mane five” tag is finally attributes to the G5 crew!
Can we get the “m5” tag as a shortcut, too?
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If it were always all-but-Twilight, I might have suggested “ponyville five”
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It is, currently. (Couldn’t say if it was 7 minutes ago when you posted, though)
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Mane 5 + Misty should be referred to as Mane 6, so the tag should simply be mane six (g5)
Except mane six (g5) currently refers to “G4 Mane 6 w/ G5 concept leak designs”.
I think it should be changed to something like old mane six (g5), since it’s not as relevant anymore.
Mane 5 + Sprout could be alternate mane six (g5). I don’t think x joins the mane five is necessary.
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I think mane six (g5 concept leak) would be the right way to write it, to match the way each character’s g5 concept leak tag is phrased.
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Mane 5 + Misty should be referred to as Mane 6, so the tag should simply be mane six (g5)
I can go either way on mane six (g5) or new mane six becoming the tag. In general I prefer a tag without parenthesis, but there’s something to be said about a tag that begins with “mane” being preferable. And, like, in G6 we’ll probably get newer “mane 6” anyway.
Except mane six (g5) currently refers to “G4 Mane 6 w/ G5 concept leak designs”.
I think it should be changed to something like old mane six (g5), since it’s not as relevant anymore.
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I think mane six (g5 concept leak) would be the right way to write it, to match the way each character’s g5 concept leak tag is phrased.
It is a pretty antiquated tag name to refer to the group at this point, mane six (g5 concept leak) would be nice.
I’ll pass it around the other tag staff.
Mane 5 + Sprout could be alternate mane six (g5). I don’t think x joins the mane five is necessary.
This I don’t agree with. My original intention was to cut down on the amount of prefixes and parentheses involved in the G5 group tags, and alternate mane six (g5) has both. x joins the mane five is maybe not the catchiest tag, but it does future proof for word salad tag names.
And if we’re worried about Sprout + Misty + Mane 5 being depicted as a group together, there’s mane seven (g5), though that might just end up with another scenario like this in the future.
Suppose it could more generically be named sprout joins the group/gang/whatever.

As thread seems to be leaning towards option 1, new mane six/mane six (g5) will probably go to Mane 5 + Misty.
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