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I’m okay with this.

@ZuTheSkunk  
“meme” on it’s own wouldn’t be touched; it’s way to broad and covers a lot of legit art.
 
And ‘obligatory pony’ might cover that, if what you mean is things like “x confessions” or whatever. Honestly not sure if it’s actually applied to those things, though.

I agree with adding an “exploitable meme” tag and making it hidden by default, but I disagree with hiding also the “meme” tag. There are genuine art pieces out there - including some of my own works - that have this tag added as well. If we could somehow differentiate between such meme-including art and your usual everyday shitposts, then I would have no problem with it.
 
Also, I would really appreciate if the stuff where the whole point of the picture is to take an image and slap some text onto it was at least given a uniform tag, if not outright spoilered or hidden by default. “Text Edit” or something could work. There is an annoying abundance of these as well.
 
EDIT: Damn, I posted in the wrong thread…

Poll thread here
 
 
@And Brother I Hurt People  
I have no idea; can’t repro here =/

If I try to view the first post, it turns into the “We Are Our Avatars” thread. Mods?

We will be putting up a poll on this subject sometime this weekend, so expect to be yelling at us soon.

@barbeque  

You missed my point; I was getting at maybe having that as more a convenience thing than anything. Art or not was irrelevant to the ratings part in regards to the checkbox feature. But you’re right.

@Background Pony  

Other ratings or tags (those which aren’t hidden by default), are still for the majority filled with actual art. Look at pretty much any image listing, and you know that when summed up all together hours have been spent to create all of that. Compared to dozens of youtube captions and tv memes, which have a combined total effort of maybe 5 minutes.
 
@TheLoneLampman  
Personally I’d just hide it by default and be done with it. The only people who would care about that checkbox are the ones interested in the crappy memes in the first place. Let them have to go to Settings every time they want to toggle, whine about why they can’t get a checkbox etc. It’s not like we had to tag their stupid memes all the time.
 
@The Smiling Pony  

That actually sounds pretty good, and leads me to another question: when OP doesn’t tag his upload of whatever the latest trend in memes is, would we still have to go and find out what the obscure meme tag is this time? Because if it were up to me, I’d just tag easy meme so that I don’t see it anymore, and let the people who are actually interested in these crappy memes figure out the exact tag*.  
_{*=to be honest I’d be surprised if they did that last part, but since I wouldn’t see them anymore, I don’t give a shit.}

@The Smiling Pony  
“easy meme” sounds perfect.  
@TheLoneLampman  
So does this. I think if you do something like that maybe not stop just at memes; perhaps ratings or other extremely common tags as well. Or not. Whatever works.

I think there should be a checkbox at the top of the page, checked by default, that hides all memes (and other related things).
 
Hide Memes [x]
 
Easy on, easy off.

@Background Pony  
@Itsthinking
 
I kind of like “easy meme” myself. Is easy (…) to remember and to the point. “Template” might not work as there’s not always a real template, like blingee or whatever.
 
There’s already a sticky listing memes; pretty sure almost all of those listed there fall under this category.
 
Also Carcer/Clover will take over this as I don’t have much in the way of a real computer or internet. A poll to about the subject will happen some point soon.

@Background Pony  
“template meme” works, we’d just have to establish a current (and easy to update) list of what counts as one. You know more are going to get made.

@The Smiling Pony  

I’m completely for this, every bit.
 

@TSP or another adman: Have you solidified what you’ll be calling the new tag if this all goes down?  
So far there’s:  
“exploitable meme”  
“copy/paste meme” or some variant  
“template meme”
 
If that bit is up for discussion/vote/whatever then I personally prefer “template meme”

Totally agree with the spirit of this idea. I hate having to hide every flavor of the month “fill in text here” meme that sprouts up, but I don’t want to just hide “meme” because it’s really broad and includes actual art.
 
There should be some kind of separation of the two. Maybe a separate tag for “template meme” would do the job?

@Prof.NightJack  
Regardless, it needs to be hidden by default.

@Background Pony  
I’m saying it would help if there was a note in the rule to not complain about what a person chooses not to filter as with adding memes to hidden by default then some may think “well this should be hidden by default too” and try to get it on things that just don’t like with no good reason.
 
>make meme a rating tag  
That’s just stupid, some are of a safe nature and some are of questionable or explicit nature, you can lump them all under one rating.

@Prof.NightJack  
@The Smiling Pony  
@RIG
 
I don’t see how that people are part of the issue here.  
Yes, people will always complain about stuff they don’t like, not really much that can be done about that and shouldn’t be one the concerns here as long as it comes to actual MLP content. I mean, people complaining about certain stuff like a ship/oc/artist should be ignored for the most part because they are complaining about very specific content that they can filter if it bothers them so much, so it’s their problem if they don’t bother to learn about filters, if anything they should be reminded of the feature.  
Now, the difference of that with memes/exploitables, which are the actual issue in this thread, is that, when people don’t properly tag MLP content and leave someone else to do it, i see it more as a community effort, some upload, others tag. Yes, the ideal thing is if the uploader does all the proper tagging, but unfortunately that can’t always be the case for a number of reasons, and yes, i’m sorry for those who use filters and still end up seeing stuff they have filtered(i know how it is), but as i said earlier, it shouldn’t be that big of a deal as long as it’s actual MLP content and no rules are being broken, like uploading something explicit as safe. Again, is a community effort, BUT when it comes to memes/exploitables, people not properly tagging them, i see it more as expecting someone else to clean your trash.  
Why? Because:  
-Most memes are obligatory ponies that people use to post unrelated/non-mlp stuff on the site  
-Lack artistic merit  
-They are awfully repetitive and there is a crap ton of them
 
My idea to help enforce the proper tagging of memes is to make meme a rating tag. So instead of requiring safe rating, they can be tagged just as meme. It has worked for the other hidden by default tags.

@Itsthinking  
that would only elimintae the tv meme, what about the annoying “screaming armor” crap?

If we just hide “obligatory pony” by default it would be so much better.

Search for obligatory pony (sorted by score)  
ohyes, I could live without all of that so hard.
 
That being said, we’d need a new tag for this. The reason is that some of the exploitable memes, eg >>443788, don’t have an obligatory pony per se. Then there’s also the very annoying case of ‘first person’ that is half filled with crappy memes like >>361226 but aren’t obligatory pony I guess, and then there’s also actual art in it.
 
Also TSP, if you go for ‘copy/paste meme’ as the tag, make sure to alias ‘copy paste meme’ and ‘copypaste meme’ to it from the beginning.
 
Bottomline: I’m all for making posting copy/paste memes as unattractive as possible.

This is one of the best damn fucking ideas ever.
 
Spoiler meme, hide exploitable turds, ban obligatory pony pictures outright = less shitposting

There are many users that don’t filter X content they dislike yet regularly go to said to tell us all how much they don’t like it. People love to hate.
 
Anyways, before I start hassling people around “officially”, show of hands for:  
-> Creating a new tag, ‘Exploitable Meme’ or ‘Copy/Paste Meme’  
-> Hiding that new tag by default  
-> Hiding the “obligatory pony” tag by default
 
Chances are this will go down as another poll. Should be pretty simple, as deletion/banning is not an option, and neither is spoilering.

@Background Pony  
Stuff they don’t like but don’t have filtered…

@Background Pony
 
oops, that was for@Prof.NightJack

@RIG
 
“Some still complain even when they are tagged properly.”
 
Uh, what do you mean?  
That people still complain about stuff they don’t like but don’t have filtered or that people complain about stuff that they have filtered?  
If it’s the former then you are not making any sense. If people complain about something not being tagged properly is because they have it filtered, which means that they shouldn’t be able to see it if it’s properly tagged.